Cluin, as I said, you lost the argument - if you don't see the logic in what I (and I guess McGrath and a lot of others) are saying, there's no hope for you. The real purpose of cars is a peaceful one - transport. If guns had a peaceful purpose I'd be right up there defending everyone's right to have one (even if, occasionally, someone was accidentally killed by one) - but they don't have a peaceful purpose, they are manufactured and owned for the sole reason of harming living creatures. If you deny that simple fact you are a self-deceiver.