Jerry, you are a vocal Christian on this forum, as is Susan. The two of you constituted the majority opinion among the four responses so far. No disrespect is meant to any of you, but that sort of response leads me to suspect you and Susan feel threatened by non-Christians of any stripe, expressing their views in your presence.

Now, as to the discussion at hand. I would like to point out that just because you believe in religious faith (which, according to your contributions to the "Faith" thread you aren't eager to have labelled as religious or proselytizing, doesn't mean that I, or "many great, great thinkers" accept that position. So to keep insinuating that everyone actually is a believer in a religious faith, which is what I perceive you to be doing when you make statements like:

"I don't see any conflict between an analytical mind and faith."

is pretty patronizing and off-putting to me as a secularist. It seems to me that you are saying, in essence, that you don't accept that someone can function morally and philosophically in this world, without accepting your religious definitions of faith as a universal truth.

My purpose for starting this thread was to point out that not everyone accepts religious/proselytizing "faith" as a universal truth, or even as a positive value. Can you accept that?