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Thread #67594   Message #1134418
Posted By: nelagnelag
11-Mar-04 - 10:56 PM
Thread Name: oral tradition - 'celtic' singing in usa
Subject: RE: oral tradition - 'celtic' singing in usa
Clinton,

I'm interested in singing in english and in "irish" and "scottish" and other "celtic" languages. So, I'm not "affecting" anything, just want to pronounce things correctly.

By the way, "affecting" an accent (in the language) actually does speed up the language learning process. It helped a lot when I was learning French and German.

Frankly, I'm surprised you jumped to accuse me of "affecting" something, since I talked about gaelic speakers etc. in the 2nd sentence. Do you mind reading what I wrote before doing this?

Others:

Yes, I realize "celtic" is a generalization that some people don't like, and I understand why.

Anyway, I appreciate the debate, though I was hoping for info like that which Sandy provided. I'm sure we can debate "celtic" vs. irish/scottish/welsh/manx/galician/cornish/breton all year :)
I should have been more clear in my original posting without the extraneous stuff.

(notice that "celtic" is much shorter - by the way, there is a reason I put the term in quotes)

Ed, as far as the "embodies to a large extent" - I am happy to be corrected if I misunderstand things. and I did qualify it with "to a large extent" :) I would not claim to be an expert on bluegrass, and shouldn't have mentioned it originally.

Greg:
Yeah, people in the "west virginia highlands" (as they call it over there) and so on were often called "scots irish". I didn't make any of this up. :) Maybe I'm wrong to call that kind of music "bluegrass". I'll leave that up to the experts.

Anyway, I'll re-say it without the extra wordage and maybe more clearly so I can focus on the info I'm particularly interested in. If anyone else is interested in this, that would be great:

I'm interested in traditional scottish/irish/welsh/breton/manx/galician/cornish/whatdidImiss
music in the original language, preferably in the mid-atlantic region. Please forget the original message.

I am coming from the point of view of enjoying this music, not a cultural statement, so there is really nothing for anyone to get offended about (though I'm sure that's always easy to do, being rude is pretty easy!)

Just that I'd be interested in hearing from people about that. I'm aware of webpages.

thanks for your postings and info,
G
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Subject: RE: oral tradition - 'celtic' singing in usa
From: ClintonHammond - PM
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 05:55 PM

"We'll also work on pronunciation"

Just don't 'affect' an accent to sing a song... \\