"Had weapons of mass destruction been found, you would still have moaned and groaned because the Iraqi people have been freed of Saddam, and will someday have a free democratic society."

I was highly pist by that, but now that I've thought about it a while I think I see DougR's viewpoint. He has such profound loyalty to George W. Bush, that he feels that anybody who could criticise him is a limb of Satan, and so in league with all the other evil-doers, like Saddam. It's not that he can't understand proof that Bush lies; it's just of no consequence to him. Doug follows his master, right or wrong.

Of course I, as an elderly godless anarchist hippie, feel that giving unquestioning loyalty to the leader of the pack is a fine thing in a dog, but unworthy of a thinking human being.

He feels, of course, that his position is honorable since independent thought is not of value to him. His not to reason why.

It's a pretty basic disagreement. I don't know what to do about it. Makes most of our discussions futile; we just talk past each other.

clint