"'He's not a lying scoundrel, he's a murderous scoundrel,' so to speak.

And saying he didn't mean Iraq is an imminent, threat, he just said it was the most imminent threat is making a distinction without much difference."

Actually, Clint, he said it was a more of a threat than two other countries someone else said were imminent threats. I know that's hard for someone who isn't used to formal logic to follow, but yes, it's a world of difference. Your scoundrel comment is doesn't follow from anything logical, and I'm just taking that as slander.

petr, just as the famous 16 words said Iraq tried to buy uranium from Africa, which the Brits have never backed off from, instead of Niger (there are other countries in Africa), it's clear from the context of Rumsfeld's speech that, at least in the speech Meet the Press ambushed him on, he didn't say Iraq was an imminent threat per se. I'll buy they tied Iraq to 9/11 more than it deserved, but the "imminent threat" accusation, as it's put forward most places, simply isn't true.