Sorry, Ron. I wasn't trying to be insulting, or at least no more than you were when you said "By the way, ALL the models in VS are adults", as if you didn't know what I was talking about. I like discussions, and I dislike competitions.

I hope you can understand why I thought you were saying that I was hiding, or wanted to hide, sexuality. It was the "You can't hide sexuality" that you wrote in a post directed to me that made me think that. I think I understand better what you were saying now.

Yes, one of the things that came out of the revolution of ideas in the 60s was that sex, sexuality, and sexiness can be talked about openly, and shown in the media. Another idea that I took away from that time is that the corporate masters only have power over us if we let them. Sexuality as presented by VS, and by most of the rest of the media, is an example of corporations using the results of the revolution to sell things. But since they only portray a terribly narrow band of the idea, we can see that they don't really get it. They are just pretending to get it in order to make more money. By buying into the definition of sexiness as put forth by VS, we are letting the corporate masters have power over us. Oh, crud, this is way too esoteric and important sounding for a discussion of a silly TV ad. But Bob Dylan, as one of the chief voices of my generation calling for us see a better world, and to not give in to the status quo, loses my respect to some extent when he lends his face and voice to an advertisement, especialy since I'm pretty sure he's just doing it to get some attention. It is even worse that it is an ad for a company that presents women in such a narrow, contrained way. Did you say this was Dylan pursuing his art? Are you sure?

I'd love to actually see the ad in question. None of the web sites I've seen seem to show it. Does anyone know a web site where I can go see it? I'm certainly not going to sit around and watch the TV until it happens to come on.

John Peekstok