To return to sanity ( or as I originally mistyped Sadanity )

"But "there are still pockets of torture" - and some of them are in places within the present American sphere of interest, such as Ukbekistan.

In Iraq most of the people killed have been non-combatant Iraqis.   Killed by both sides, but mostly by occupation forces. The Iraqis fighting in Fallujah and Najaf are very largely people who detested Saddam and were happy to see him overthrown.

It's a mess. It's always a mess, and people do the best they can and make different judgements about what that is."

Kevin - your sources please ?

Gareth