I kept humming 'waist deep in the Big Muddy' to myself, finally did a search for the words, and found this thread too. Sheesh, you look like a bunch of Nostradomuses, things have gone as you said. A year ago many anti-bushites sounded like nuts, but, now it's the neocons that look like nuts--er---fascisti. Just thought I'd refresh so ye's could see how brilliant you were. Here's to getting out of the Big Muddy before another town and brigade of folks on both sides are killed...