Thanks for the explanation andytown_bhoy - makes you a Gaelic scholar in my book... John O'L - if there is no soft c in Greek then the team should really by Keltic, but they ain't. Anyway, whilst on the footballing theme, tough luck Newcastle - it was always going to be uphill without Dyer, Woodgate et al. So, no British clubs left in Europe this season, either English or Scots we're all out!!!