Gee, WyoW, where do you go fishing for guys? No doubt there are lots of guys who fit the picture you drew, but certainly not all. And, with a good teacher, those attidues do evolve beyond mere rutting to a glorious sharing. Seems like the more mature I get (Phew! Started to say older) the more gals I encounter who are also interested in a joyous mutuality. I suspect the real problem is that our two halves have different and differing objectives during the peak breeding years, and then differentially grow into the beauty of sharing. Here's a pint to the joy of continuing to evolve!