"All of this "debate" about "concepts" and semantics could only come from people who have never actually fought war on the ground and in the face of an enemy. There are no rules- there is no Geneva Convention- there is nothing that is "all right if it's done this way"- it is all pure BARBARISM. It is ALL torture, it is ALL abuse, it is INHUMANE in the fullest sense of the word. It turns people into animals, pure and simple, and only when you've experienced this can you understand just how ludicrous the pontificating in this "debate" really is."

Good points, Steve-o. I think that the 'general public' is getting an insight into all of that, now; or at least are getting a 'never-before-contemplated' aspect of it.
Trying to convince those who see war as something we should lightly enter in to a state of, is what these discussions are for me, anyway.

If, as you rightly contend, that war is all 'pure barbarism', perhaps this most scrutinised of wars will help people see the sometimes futility of it.

Unfortunately the greatest lessons we learn in life, are learned 'the hard way'

Jim