That's the real point, not the obfuscated, selfishly driven attempt to turn this into a debate on religion/secularism that our GUEST seeks to make it. Bobert's contention, as I took it, was that this is a man who lives by his convictions. In this case those convictions are grounded in the values of his faith. I have known any number of secular humanists, atheists, and agnostics, (Rick Fielding being one of them) who were among the most moral folks I have ever known. Theirs was simply grounded in trying to live a decent life and do good. Fair enough. The point isn't where your sense of right and wrong comes from, rather that Carter lives a moral life and speaks from right and wrong. IMO he lost the Presidency because he was a decent man who spoke the truth. Contrast this with Bush. The examples of his values based hypocrisy abound.

The comments are about values and hypocrisy, not what they are based in. The Christian comments are simply comments from another Christian demonstrating the hypocrisy from a believer's perspective.

So .... GUEST .... please climb down from the soapbox and continue with what is a very good discussion.

Mick