Did you read any of the links I provided CarolC?

And could we keep the conversation about secularism, and not religion please? If people want to talk about religion, there is no shortage of threads on the subject.

I started this thread to engage in conversation about the erosion of American secular tradition in American public life. It would be good if, just once, the religionists could allow the secularists to have a conversation here without hijacking the thread.

Is that possible in Mudcat? I'm beginning to think not.