LOL, Marion, the D and the E, as some of the notes were originally played on the A in 3rd position. Remember, those were in the days, in school, when I practised religiously, both at home and school, on a daily basis. Even had orchestra class every day! I still have the knowledge, but the skill is very, very rusty. No bows needed, I am sure you sound a lot better than I would now. I did have a fantastic first teacher, old "Granny" Grantham. She was strict, tough, unrelenting, and I was lucky enough to study with her privately and make it to concert mistres of our little grade school orchestra! Actualy all of my private and orchestra teachers were great.kat