Just a quick thought as you mentioned Ken Livingstone Ed. The London congestion charge is there to encourage motorists to use public transport, and therefore reduce pollution. So whats this got to do with a thread on 4X4's? My Land Rover 110 V8 has 12 seats, and is classified as a minibus under the rules of the congestion charge, and therefore, Exempt from the charge!! And before Ken starts to cast aspertions on my ability to drive large veichles, I hold a class 1 PSV (Bus and Coach) licence with double decker rating.

Wassail!!

Chris