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Thread #69973   Message #1192847
Posted By: Raedwulf
24-May-04 - 12:25 PM
Thread Name: BS: Celtic/White Supremicist Connections?
Subject: RE: BS: Celtic/White Supremicist Connections?
Interesting thread. I think McGrath has (not for the first time) summed it up most succintly. Speaking as a Germanic pagan, I can tell you that, yes, the supremacists are involved there too, & their waffle is just as puerile as anywhere else. As someone said earlier, any pond they can piss in, they will; if they think it furthers their narrow-minded dogma.

Unfortunately, Germanic paganism (i.e. Woden/Odin/Wotan pantheon) is always an attractive option because of the association with Hitler & Nazism. I do think, though, that it is worth pointing out that fascism/Nazism never has anything to do with faith. It is always about control, manipulation, supremacy. The overt Left/Right bias of the extremist never matters. They always know better than you. Stalin was as much a supremacist as Hitler. It is only ever a question of which tools will lever you in their direction...

Horrible though the word sounds, I think that 'supremacist' is ultimately a much better label than fascist or any subset thereof.

Cuilionn's post I found most interesting, but there are questions that it immediately throws into my mind. various Celtic peoples had suffered similar forms of cultural oppression and even attempted genocide Who was perpetrating the genocide? Can you be sure that it was genocide? There is a difference between the invader subjugating the indigenous, & deliberately attempting to exterminate them.

The more evidence that is unearthed, the more it seems that the A/S invasion, for example, resulted in neither the extermination nor mass displacement of the existing celts. Similarly, the Norman conquest (Boo! Hiss! *g*) essentially only replaced the ruling class, not the existing population. Culture is a different matter, particularly from the perspective of several hundred years. It requires a relatively long period of time to effect, & systematic destruction is difficult to prove, hence my scepticism.