Little Hawk- I agree with you 100% that all politicians (as well as doctors, lawyers, business leaders etc) lie.    They couldn't get elected if they told the truth.   Shame on us for allowing this to happen.   We get a "Jesse Ventura" type who actually tells us what he really believes, and we crucify him for not being politically correct.   Shame on all of us.    We settle for the politically correct canned polished speeches because thats what we elect.

My criticism is with those who only see one side of the issue.   Don't rip bush for lying while supporting Clinton and Moore who both lie as well.    Criticize the issue or document your claim with facts.   I am not interested in sound bites.   I write sound bites and I know the difference between reality and spin.

The argument that Bush (and conservatives) want war, and blood, and poison gas, and contaminated water may be the most stupid argument I have ever hread on this board.    Conservatives want the same basic things as liberals- the only difference is how we choose to get there.   You lose your credibility when you hyperbolize like that.

Finally, who does Al Queda want to win?   Lets see.   We have one party that did nothing for 8 years and let him assume power.   There is the other party that has gone to war against him. boy that is a tough choice to figure out who they want to win.