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Thread #70470   Message #1203119
Posted By: WFDU - Ron Olesko
08-Jun-04 - 08:53 PM
Thread Name: BS: A Fitting Tribute to a Great Leader
Subject: RE: BS: A Fitting Tribute to a Great Leader
Claymore, the "excesses" of Enron may have occured during the Clinton years, but if you remember, the S&L scandals actually began during the Reagan years.   Scandals? How many members of Clinton's cabinet and administration were indicted compared to the extraordinary number during Reagans?

I will give Reagan credit for admiting his mistakes, something that the current clown in the White House would never do. Reagan gave a speech where he catagorically denied that arms were sold for hostages. When it became evident that they were, he admited that he was wrong. He never admitted his involvement, but he was forthcoming with an apology.

I had asked you to give examples of how life improved for you and you mentioned that your tax situation improved.   I am glad it worked for you, but he increased taxes on social security and Medicare so I assume that you weren't effect by that. Many others were. The poor suffered. Reagan's policies led to increases in food prices and inflation. Do you remember the huge deficit he left? That short burst of economic freedom(for some) ended up being paid for by us all.

You mention the shame that Carter supposedly brought on this countries military. Of course the ambassador and his staff survived the 444 days in captivity, which happened to be extended due to some dealings from the incoming administration. Remember the October Surprisse??

I could not possibly justify Carter's efforts either. Unlike conservatives, we will admit when our presidents have faults. Also, I did not feel as disgraced by our country as you seemed to be. A few sound bites on TV did not sway my opinion as easily as it appears to have swayed yours and your kind. Carter did try to make Human Rights the centerpiece of his administration while supporting some brutal regimes around the world.   However, Reagan was the one who sold anti-tank and anti-aircraft missles to Iran in order to secure the release of several hostages that were being held in Lebanon. The proceeds of that sale was given to death squads in Nicaragua.   If I remember correctly, Congress forbade such dealings. This is a man you are proud of???

You remembered the PATCO strike, but do you remeber 400,000 union members marching on Washington to protest Reagan's labor policies? Probably not.

Of course, Reagan probably convinced you that tomatoes are vegetables, the homeless were merely living by choice (after he shut down VA hospitals and denied benefits)and who knows what else.

The bottom line is that conservatives will spin any story to justify their case. The facts are only secondary.