beardedbruce, I terminate any further discussion with those take what I say and restate it to favor their own viewpoint, and then try to refute what I say on that basis. That is an illogical and irrational mode of debate, and the refuge of those whose own argument lacks foundation. Nor will I discuss things with someone who resorts to abuse when someone states something with which they disagree. I've splintered lances with a few who act that way, but I no longer play that game.

Besides, I was asking Strick, not you, and Strick chose not to answer.

Don Firth