John 'Giok' MacKenzie 15 Jun 04 - 04:54 AM,

Some good points there, a few of them had crossed my mind before in relation to the Iraquois "Guardian of Seven Generations" thing brought up earlier in the thread.

The points you raise would be reviewed and the hammer would come down firmly on the side of doing nothing, i.e. mirror nature, if you get injured, or sick - you die.

Burgeoning male population - review the situation - have a war, go raiding, either your people won and took over that lump of territory, or they died in the attempt. No real interest in the result, as either way, the problem was solved (an alternative solution taken up by Chiefs of African tribes on the west coast of Africa, that was often taken up was to sell the excess population into slavery).

Aye, magnificent times, and communities, to live in. Now hands up all those who are willing, and honest enough, to admit that they are just a little bit pleased that we're as stupid as we are.