This is much ado about nothing. Music threads outnumber non-music by three or four or seven to one. Again, if non-musical threads hang around a long time it's because Muddies vote to keep them by clicking on them and posting to them. There is no in-group here, or maybe it's that everybody who wants to be a member of the in-group is welcomed as such. Here we make some music, we make some jokes, we make some friends--Joe, Mudcat Orthodoxy is an oxymoron. --seed