Is patriarchal barbarity in India caused by the Israeli goverment? And if not, why not?

Obviously not. It is caused by men. Just as the patriarchal barbarity among Palestinians is caused by men. And the abuse of women in the "civilized West" is caused by men. And the sex slave trade in almost every country is caused by men. When I read about brutality or atrocities committed against women by men, I don't think to myself, that man is a Palestinian man, or a Cornish man, etc. I think, that brutality/atrocity is being committed by a man. I don't care what his nationality, race, ethnic origins, or religion is. Because as a woman, I know that these kinds of things are being committed against women by men of all nationalities, races, ethnic origins, and religions.

John Hindsill, if you use the issue of women's rights selectively in order to promote a political agenda, or to promote hatred towards a particular group of people, you don't help to alleviate the suffering of the women in question... you actually increase it. This makes you just as bad as the people who are brutalizing these women in their own countries.

If either of you; greg or John, really cared about the issue of women's rights, you wouldn't be trying to make distinctions between atrocities committed against one group of women over others. For those of us who are women, all acts of brutality committed against us are horrific.

And GUEST,Sandi, the problem isn't about Muslim society. Honor killings are only one of the many, many ways that women are brutalized by the men of various cultures and societies all over the world. You don't solve the problem by selectively using one form of brutality to score political points against only one category of men who brutalize women. What you do is to recognize that this is a global problem. And then... and this is a VERY important point... you listen to what the women in question have to say about what they want done to correct the problem. This is why I have posted the links to some of the women's organizations in the West Bank and Gaza, and included some of what they have to say.

It is very patriarchal to decide for these women what the solutions should be to the problems they face without taking into consideration what they would want to have happen themselves. Which leads me to suspect that you, GUEST,Sandi, are really a man and not a woman.