Teribus...I think a little less water in your "over subsidised" Scotch might put you in a better mood. The structured arguments which you ask for demand acceptance of fact and figures and opinions provided by politicians on both sides . One thing I have learned in my little enclave is never believe a politician. I never pretend what I write are anything other than opinions, but at least they are MY opinions Regarding Iran, the West seemed to think them enough of a threat,to bury their "principles" and assist the tyrant Saddam in his war against them. Where you get the idea that I support Communist govt I dont know... a rogue opinion perhaps? Youll need to watch out for the thought police You are as guilty as any one else in this *entertaining* little forum, of passing an unsubstanciated opinion when it comes up your humph. Regarding Mary ,she seems a very nice "Christian" lady ,who dosn't know her arse from her elbow.....Just an opinion...Ake