Fact: the sun rises and sets each day, yet there are those here on the Mudcat that probably would argue that it does not.

I think the problem you folks have with Teribus is he DOES supply facts to support his arguments and you just don't want to accept that fact.

I REALLY think it is difficult to offer a reasonable argument against a fact (of course in Bobert's case a fact is a fact ONLY if the fact supports HIS argument) :>)

DougR