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Thread #71282   Message #1220067
Posted By: Jack the Sailor
06-Jul-04 - 01:21 PM
Thread Name: BS: Are facts shite?
Subject: RE: BS: Are facts shite?
Carol said Teribus was easy to debunk.

Teribus asked her to supply evidence.

CarolC,

Please PM them to me while you're at it.



From the Keyboard of the fact maven Teribus.....

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A couple of points

1. "facts" do not solely consist of "statistics". Example: it is a fact that it was only due to the efforts of the United States of America, that United Nations Security Council tabled Resolution 1441, and got it adopted unanimously, thereby allowing the return to Iraq of the United Nations weapons inspectors when they did. Even Kofi Annan and Dr. Hans Blix concede that - I personally don't give a damn if anyone else in this forum does, or not, it is however a fact.
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The above contains facts

"United Nations Security Council tabled Resolution 1441"

But it also contains unsubstantiated opinion

"it is a fact that it was only. due to the efforts of the United States of America"

It is certainly a fact that Britain Spain and others made efforts on behalf of the resolution. Who in his right mind would be arrogant and stupid enough to posit that ONLY the efforts of the United States were effective?


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2. Re Saïd K Aburish, and his book, pages 136 - 138 where he describes how, "...in 1975 the US Government knowingly helped Iraq obtain the technology to build its first chemical warfare plant." Ever heard the phrase "dual use" in relation to chemical/biological weapons and research? I think it applies or Mr. Aburish would have said, "...in 1975 the US Government knowingly helped Iraq build its first chemical warfare plant" - not quite the same thing. Unlike the French, who did knowingly help Iraq build its first nuclear power plant - ultimately rendered safe courtesy of the Israeli Air Force.
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#2, is just rambling gibberish. I'm sure it is a fact that the book has pages 136 - 138, but the rest of the paragaraph is simply hyperbole and conjecture.

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Facts may or may not be shite but what Teribus does has little to do with Facts. His posts are stew with the main ingredients being bluster and B.S. with the odd "fact" thrown in for flavor.
Think of his "facts" as bits of parsnip in a stew and you'll have a good analogy for his methods.

For instance does the fact that the French sold Iraq the nuclear plant make up for the fact the the US supported the chemical weapons program? Of course not. Mr. T is simply playing a shell game and trying to change the subject.