OK, here are two sentences, please come back to me if you can see any difference in what those two sentences say:

1. In 1975 the US Government knowingly helped Iraq obtain the technology to build its first chemical warfare plant.

2. In 1975 the US Government knowingly helped Iraq build its first chemical warfare plant.

The first sentence is what Saïd K Aburish, the former government Minister under Saddam Hussein, actually wrote.

The second represents the message freda underhill was trying to put across.

Actually I don't see a difference at all. They couldn't build the plant without the technology. In fact I would think that the technology would have been absolutely required for fucntioning chemical plant. Are you saying that Donald Rumsfeld would have actually had to pick up a hammer to have helped them? You are a most amusing person.

Oh, by the bye Jack the Sailor, the resolution that eventually acquired the number 1441 was proposed by the United States of America. It was seconded and supported by the United Kingdom and Spain in the Security Council when proposed. Er, that is how resolutions are tabled, it is also how motions are normally proposed in most formal meetings, first it has to be formally proposed and then seconded before the "chair" can recognise it as a subject for discussion. The above, I believe, should be common enough knowledge.

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It is certainly a fact that Britain Spain and others made efforts on behalf of the resolution. Who in his right mind would be arrogant and stupid enough to posit that ONLY the efforts of the United States were effective?

Pointing out that it is not "a fact that it was only due to the efforts of the United States of America"

and he counters by agreeing with what I said as if that proves him right when indeed it proves his assertion.

I think that we can now safely say that is a fact that so far Teribus has said nothing to show us that he even has the foggiest notion what a fact is.

Indeed Teribus you have shown that by UN protocols it would have been impossible for the USA to table the resolution "only" by its own efforts. Do you enjoy arguing so much that you feel compelled to argue with yourself?