Don,

I just wanted to point out that there are faults of logic on both sides of the issue.

SRS,

If by sane discussion you mean that no source I present will be looked at, and I am required to concede you are right before I even start, with no evidence, than I suppose I do not want sane discussion at all. If you care to present your viewpoint, and listen to the viewpoint of others, perhaps both of us might learn something.