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Thread #71319   Message #1221485
Posted By: Teribus
08-Jul-04 - 01:01 PM
Thread Name: BS: New thread on WMD
Subject: RE: BS: New thread on WMD
Thank you CarolC, for your efforts in bringing your original illogical "jumble" down to my level - greatly appreciated.

Now let's take a good look at it:

"None of the UN resolutions that you invoke in these threads, or that the government of the US invokes, in order to justify its invasion of Iraq, in any way authorize the US to invade Iraq."

It is Iraqi non-compliance with UN resolutions that is invoked to justify action being taken independently. The US from day one was very clear on this to both the United Nations Security Council and to the regime in power at that time in Iraq.

"The US violated at least one UN resolution when it invaded Iraq."

Which one?

"The US is in violation of at least one UN resolution."

Regarding Iraq in particular, or in general?

"There is no UN resolution that authorized the US invasion of Iraq."

Very true, I certainly am not aware of any.

"The US invaded Iraq under the authority of no UN resolutions."

Again very true, under the circumstances, the US did not require the authority of the United Nations to act. They had previously clearly stated their intentions should Saddam Hussein fail to comply. As far as the US, and their fellow coalition members were concerned, he didn't, and they acted accordingly, just as they said they would.

"The US did not have any authority to invade Iraq except for the authority it gave itself to do so."

In the circumstances, as seen from the US point of view, that was all the authority they needed. Others agreed with that action.

"The US acted on its own authority when it invaded Iraq."

Yes it did, but they did not do so in isolation - others felt exactly the same way about the situation.

"The US did not act under any authority granted to it by the UN when it invaded Iraq, because the UN did not grant it any authority to do so."

Very true, lack of will and lack of resolve on the part of the United Nations prompted the US led coalition to act.

"The US invaded Iraq because it wanted to for its own reasons."

Correct, those reasons being to ensure, by force, that Iraq would no longer be in a position to threaten the security of the United States of America, the allies of the United States of America, the interests of the United States of America, or its allies.

"It did not do so in order to uphold any UN resolutions, because the UN did not give it the authority to attack Iraq for the purpose of upholding any resolutions."

The US intervened in Iraq to ensure Iraqi compliance with the umpteen United Nations Security Council Resolutions passed affecting Iraq. After all the UN were showing no signs of being prepared to do anything about it.

"The US attacked Iraq because it wanted to."

Incorrect, the US attacked Iraq because they felt they had to, they did not believe they had any choice.