Teribus, don't be an ass. We all thought it was a terrorist attack and were right. You rather ridiculously thought it was a technical malfunction and were wrong. I can understand your feeling foolish about this but don't try to make US the dupes.

By the way, Dai's link contradicts you, that even after the second plane hit no-one was mentioning hijacked aircraft in the news (you claimed this in point 2 at 12 Jul 04 - 12:23 PM). If it was up on the web already at 9:18, you can be sure the person writing it was working on it as soon as the second plane hit.

Bit different to what you contend - but both you and Metchosin KNEW it was a terrorist attack when the first plane hit. Did either of you call it in - you had at least 18 minutes start on the rest of the population.

My point is we didn't. Everybody was saying it was probably terrorists on the street and on the bus on my way to work that morning, BEFORE the second plane hit. Once the second plane hit, most people were pretty sure. I repeat, I was here and you were not. You just don't know what you're talking about. I also repeat, we became sure WHEN the second plane hit, not before.

Let's revisit that. Your claim is both you and Metchosin KNEW it was a terrorist attack when the first plane hit.

Try reading our posts next time. Metchosin said My initial reaction after watching them was, "Oh god! please let calmer heads prevail, there's going to be hell to pay in the world for this!" Wasn't far off the mark, either.

Didja see that, T-Bird? After watching THEM. So he was talking about after the SECOND plane, not the first.

I said When the second plane struck it became clear to me that this was an attack.

See? I too was talking about the SECOND plane. You can bluster and blather all you want, but don't try to bullshit us about we ourselves said!

Now on to your claim re: the film

By all accounts what the President was told that morning was that an aircraft had crashed into one of the WTC Towers, simply that, nothing more - his immediate reaction to that news was that it must have been an accident. It was only after the second incident that he was informed that the country was under attack.

Only problem with this is you've misunderstood what was in the film. Bush was informed about the first plane BEFORE he went into the classroom. What we saw on film WAS Bush being informed that the second plane had hit. In your words above, "he was informed that the country was under attack." But he went through about twenty minutes of photo-op, seven of them reading My Pet Goat, before he did anything. That was kind of Moore's point all along.

Really, Teribus, it's tedious arguing about a film with someone who doesn't bother to see it and doesn't bother to read our previous posts and thus doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.