Amos:

Thanks for your long and detailed list of quotes.   I really prefer to discuss things in a rational manor and avoid the rediculous insults that flame throwers on both sides tend to use.

Lets look at your list of "lies" one by one.

1. Lied about Sadaam concealing lethal weapons- We found hidden labs, detailed plans to build WMD's, saran gas, ricilin, long range warheads.   Chief weapons inspector David Kay said that Iraq was attempting to make these and sell these to other terrorist groups and concluded that Iraq was "more dangerous" than previously thought.

2. Lied about Sadaam harboring terrorist-   The #3 man in Al queda had his legs amputated in Sadaams private hospital and was given safe haven in Iraq.    We also captured the Acquilles Laurel (pardon spelling) terrorist in Iraq.

3. Lied about Uranium-   Senate report, 9/11 commission, and British intelligence all disagree with you.   All three conclude that Wilson was incorrect and reports were accurate.   

4. Lied about Killing innocent civilians-   Sorry- facts don't agree with you on this one when compared against every other war in history.   Every country used to carpet bomb in wars killing far more civilians than in Iraq.   The Iraq war had the fewest number of innocents killed and the fewest number of Americans killed as compared to Civil/WW/Korea/Viet Nam/ and I'll even throw in Spanish American war.

5. Lied that world is safer when Sadaam is disarmed-   I guess I don't understand your point.    Would the world be safer with Sadaam still in place and having WMD's.   The removal of Sadaam (like the removal of Ossama) is one step in the process.   It doesn't make us safe by itself but it is in the right direction

6. Lied about Sadaam kicking inspectors out of Iraq-   Are you contenting that they voluntarily left by themselves for no reason?   Is there any doubt that Sadaam was in non compliance with UN resolutions.

Much of the rest of what you quoted is political jargon- leave no child behind is no different that a chicken in every pot and two cars in every garage.   In Manhattan you can't afford to keep 2 cars in any garage.

I dislike it when people rationalize that every politician lies so they are all the same. (my wife's view)   I think there is a big difference between Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.   Both are very smart men.   Carter was honest but inept.   Clinton was dishonest but shrewd at domestic policy.   Carter had the best interest of the country in mind.   Clinton had the best interest of Clinton in mind. Clinton said the same things about Iraq that Bush said.    Clinton also bombed Milosevic from 10,000 feet.   No Americans were killed, but far more innocent civilians were killed.   No UN resolution on that one as well.    Was that moral to remove Milosevic?   You could make a good case on both sides of that one.

Wouldn't it be nice if Kerry said he was a liberal and here are my liberal positions, and Bush ssid I am a conservative and here are my conservative positions, and let the country decide.   Instead they both pretend they are moderates in the middle and "lie" about their real positions.