If Ronald Reagan was alive today he would say "Mr. Sharon, build up that wall".

And I would be right there with him saying, Mr. Sharon, build up that wall... on the Green Line

Oh yes- I forgot.   You need qualifications of visiting Israel to discuss this subject on this forum.

Bullshit.

My wife did a 2 week Hadassah mission in Isreal a few months ago which included a tour and lunch at an army base where she watched some military operations.   Does that count? Also met with the chief surgeon of Hadassah hospital which treats 90% of terror victims- both jewish and arab along with PR directors of Israel.

It only counts if you're only interested in knowing what life is like from the Israeli side of the equation. Like I said before... if you want to know what it's like to be a Palestinian living in the West Bank, Gaza, or East Jerusalem, you need to listen to what those people have to say.

I don't recall her mentioning anyone named Carol C. on the mission.

She probably wouldn't find the name Neta Golan on the mission either. That's because she actually spends time with Palestinian families in the West Bank. In fact, she lives there.

"It's My Story: From Rosedale to Ramallah - Neta Golan's story
Neta Golan is a young Canadian Jewish woman who has crossed over to the other side of the Middle East conflict.

Neta's family emigrated to Israel from a predominantly Jewish neighbourhood of Rosedale in Toronto when she was nine. Her father told her "Israel is our only country now". She once shared her family's attitudes towards Arabs as obstacles to a greater Israel. Then Neta Golan began to change her way of seeing the Palestinians. She helped launch the International Solidarity Movement, an organisation that uses peaceful means to protect Arab rights and protest against the occupation of Palestine. Neta now lives permanently in the West Bank. She's married a Palestinian and in the spring of this year she gave birth to her first child.

Neta Golan is blunt in her appraisal: Israel has never come to terms with the Holocaust and the failure to do so means that history repeats itself save it is the Palestinians who are oppressed and murdered. Under the guise of the Oslo accords, Israel has been building dozens of new settlements in the West Bank, all of them mini-recreations of European ghettos: walled communities surrounded by hostile territory. But the difference, she says, is that it is the Jews who are choosing to create these 'new ghettos,' rather than being forced into them by European anti-Semitism. Her views and the frankness with which she delivers them have made Neta a target of hate among right wing Israelis."


As far a land debates go- when did Palestinians become a country and have legally assigned land.   Did I miss this. Do they have a constitution, a currency, an electrion process, a un ambassador, a history of leadorship.

Israel has no constitution either. Never has had one. This is nonesense. There was a time when Jews had never had any of these things either. It's bullshit to say that just because they've never had them, they should never be allowed to have them.

They have as much right to the land as Al Queda has.   Well- at least Al Queda has a hierarchy of command.   Do the palestinians have a # 2 behind Arafat? Does he try harder?

There you go with your nasty comparisons again. There is no similarity whatsoever between Al Queda and the people whose families have been living and making their livlihood on the land that is now the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem for more than a thousand years.