I would like to see those statistics, Bruce--my suspicion is that the crime rate went up first,and, as is all to typical, opportunistic politicians rushed through anti-gun legislation, as if it was going to solve all the problems--it obviously hasn't, and, unfortunately, no one is saying, "Hey, you idiots, I thought you said that your anti-gun legislation was going to cut crime"--

I think it is a bit ridiculous to go out to dinner with a pistol strapped to your waist just to make a point--though I have to admit that I was amused by it--

I think you are all wrong about criminals and guns, though, bruce--if you follow the murders in Washington, there fair number of gang shoot-outs--obviously either doesn't matter that the other guys are armed, or their guns actually spark the trouble--

DougR--I guess you don't know that a lot of "environmentalist nuts" are also "gun nuts"--and that hunters were among the first, and continue to be among the most active conservationists--and, as I never tire of pointing out, the first presidential candidate to belong to the Sierra Club was Barry Goldwater--

Someone once said, "I love guns and I love ducks. So when I have my gun, duck!"