the interesting thing is, thread #3, I think is the first...while #1 is not...if you change this.(where we are now)http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=14444&messages=3 to this http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=3 you can read #3...same with any thread...although the search is not working, you can go to random early threads just by changing the # in the window...sometimes you find something neat!