Actually Jack, I never even count Martin, so please forgive me. He is much too trollish and inflammatory for my tastes, so I always skip over his posts. I was responding to the subject matter in the thread title.

As to coming to your defense, I hope I don't disappoint you, but I wasn't actually. I was merely pointing out to Ron that, well...my post was directed to Ron, based upon Ron's behaviour. I'd rather just let stand as is. This thread is all about Ron now, not McGreevey. I'm not interested in the former any further, and since the conversation about the latter seems to have been killed off, I'll take my leave of what could easily have been a decent thread.