I find the tone of this thread hilarious, and am printing it out for reference, because I have an amateur interest in writing comedy. The funny part is the pseudo-logic we make up as an armature for our unexamined feelings. We want it to make sense, and grab at anything, no matter how odd, hypothetical, and unprincipled. Albert Brooks did a lot with this as a comedic latzi, I think.

   Daylia, I wouldn't presume to challenge you about your own experience, but why in the world would you assume it must be the same for others? I know a cute guy when I see one, but as a sexual choice, sure, I could also choose to eat hay, or graze like a cow--I COULD, but like you I find it very easy to "choose" otherwise. And what if it is a choice? So what? What does that equal?

Here's Akenaton still calling anyone who doesn't share his view a PC non-thinker, and mentioning that he would presume things are worse for gay parenting. Ake--why exactly is what you presume so much richer and deeper than everyone else's pc non-thoughts? Is it because SOME people are going to be judgmental? Drat it, but yes you're right, some people are. So gays should forget it already. Dude.

I do know a gay couple with kids but don't see the point in offering up particular people to spin goof-ball generalizations and self-deluding syllogisms. I'm not taking sides about it, exactly, I just like to see what people find handy to use to climb up and look down on humanity, with such keen judgement and other-worldly wisdom. It's a hoot.

The komodo dragon would seem to be doomed, since it likes to eat its young, but life goes on somehow. Somehow an egg-babe with no more wit than a rock outsmarts the adult of the species. From this one might infer adult komodos can reason, and thus fool themselves.