It is attitudes like that, bee dubya ell, that are so intolerant. What you are saying is, anything goes. What many here are saying is, if anything goes, than you don't ever get anything of quality. You don't get anything of value. You just get a big pile of crap.

The site owner's refusal to allow moderation is the real problem here, just as it always has been. "Reasonable" members once argued vociferously against moderation just a few summers ago, because they really enjoyed flaming guests.

Those same members are now being overwhelmed and driven away from the forum by assholes pouring into the BS section, and trashing the place, because they can get away with it on the argument that because it is a "BS" section, it means that they get to take out their information superhighway road rage on anyone they encounter here.

Maybe people should learn to watch what they ask for, because what we have now is a perfect example of what comes with absolutely no effort.

So, if the music threads are dull and repetitive, and most rarely get more than 10 posts, and the BS section continues to be tolerated as the shit hole for the music section, why would anyone with a legitimate interest in folk and blues music be enticed to come in and stay awhile?

What in god's name makes any of you in the "anything goes in the BS section" camp, think that having a road rage forum is going to make this place viable?

There are literally thousands of discussion forums on the internet that have had to be abandoned because nobody was willing to do the hard work of policing themselves and one another, to keep the forum clean. That is really what this is about. bee dubya ell, you just don't want ANYONE here telling you to follow some basic rules of decency when interacting with others here. You want to burp and fart and peoples' faces? Well, fine. Just don't expect many people to want to be in your company, except those who burp and fart right back at you, and find the whole exercise entertaining.

But that isn't what most folk music enthusiasts come here for. But then, the asshole members who have taken over this place aren't coming here for the cafe atmosphere. It's the lager lout pub atmosphere that rules here, because in 3D life, the lager louts are being driven to fringes of society in Britain, and the more civilized cafe society is taking over.

I guess the Mudcat BS part of the Mudcat Cafe forum is one of the places online where the lager louts and lassies have decided to make a stand, because they know no one here will stop them.

Which is why the folkies are pretty much out of here.