j0hn,while I enjoy most of your posts, and suspect there is an intelligent person lurking under a lot of your off beat posts, you are becoming part of the problem, and not the solution. Personal attacks, comments, and dredging up postings from 1999 solve nothing, and are mean spirited. The title of this thread is "What to do about obnoxious MC members", it is an invitation to contribute ideas to help stop the nastiness, not to illustrate the problem.
Giok