The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #72319   Message #1254416
Posted By: Grab
23-Aug-04 - 09:05 AM
Thread Name: BS: Matter and Spirit
Subject: RE: BS: Matter and Spirit
Carol, you say you can "feel" a crystal being there? That surely is incredibly easy to prove.

You go out the room by one door. Moderator places a dozen cups on a table and puts a crystal under one (chosen by a random-number generator or dice throw to avoid the human tendency to pick certain places more often). If there's a "range" issue, maybe use separate tables, some distance apart, so you can resolve which cup it is. Moderator leaves the room by another door (to avoid any change of giving the game away by glancing at the cup or talking to you). You come back in and immediately identify cup containing crystal. Video the whole thing so there's no doubt you're picking the right cup straight away. Rinse and repeat as many times as you like, making sure that all cups are picked up and put down each time so that there's no cues from only one having moved.

Do that yourself for a confidence test, and then move on to James Randi, or the New York Times, or anyone who'll listen. The Center for Complementary Medicine might be worth contacting. If you can do this 100% every time, you're news!

On a similar theme, LH: If there are people who can do the telepathy thing, why are they averse to demonstrations? Unless it's a "religious secret", I don't get it. Contrary to what you say, the majority of people *are* prepared to believe anything, but *only* if you show them it's true. If all you offer is words, they will indeed laugh in your face and stick to the status quo. If you back up your words with evidence though, people *will* believe you.

Re James Randi's condition, Carol, what's your beef with it? "Applicant agrees that all data (photographic, recorded, written, etc.) gathered as a result of the testing may be used freely by JREF in any way that Mr. Randi may choose." If you took part in the Pepsi Challenge, I think you'll find that Pepsi have similar rights to record how many people preferred which cola. If he's set up the test and staked his own money on it, why should he not have rights to the evidence? If he didn't have rights to the evidence, how on earth could he present a press release on it? "I've done some tests, but I don't have rights to release the evidence, so you'll just have to trust me"?!?! I think not! :-)

Yes, he's certainly an egotistic little git, out for self-promotion. I don't see how he can use the evidence to "make a circus of your life" though. You get it right a dozen times, he hasn't a leg to stand on.

Graham.