I wish people would focus on Kerry's record instead of Viet Nam.   The problem is that Kerry speant the whole primary and convention talking about Viet Nam.   He only spoke 26 seconds about his 20 years in the Senate.   That is a disgrace.   The only reason we are having a debate about Viet Nam is becasue Kerry continues to bring it up. He tells us "Reporting for Duty" and Bring it on. When the Swift Boat people contradict his story, we cries like a baby and sues to stop their ads. Total phony.

So lets talk about Kerry's record.   He voted against most major weapons and arms, he voted against the death penalty for terrorists, he voted for a 50 cents a gallon gasoline tax, the the big dig in Mass. was one of the most corrupt and over budget projects in history.

Lets look at his positions in Iraq.   He voted against the first gulf war even though Sadaam had invaded Kuwait and there were proven attrocities.   The than said he supported the war.   He voted for the 2nd Iraq war even though there were no proven WMD's but than said he was against it.   A year later he says that knowing everything he knows now he would still vote to give Bush the authority to go to war.   That sounds more like a Jacky Mason routine than a cohesive policy.

Yes all politiicans lie- but there is certainly a difference between a Bill Clinton and a Jimmy Carter.   All people sin but Mother Theresa is not Ted Bundy.    Therefore, it is to easy to only say they all lie- I think quantity, and context must be considered.

Those who continue to say that Bush lied about WMD's are just making bafoons out of them selves and alienating independent thinkers.   The senate panel, 9/11 commission, Lord Buckley Commission, Putin, Blair, and Tommy Franks have all independently concluded that Bush didn't lie.   Yet many of you still continue that montra.   Wishfull thinking.   You are only lying to yourselves.

Finally- Clinton Lied and no one died- unless you count the innocent people in the asperin factory, or the innocent killed in the bombings from 10,000 feet over Bosnia.   How about the americans killed in the first world trade center bombing, US cole. Coball Towers, two African embassies, Sudan, and Black Hawk down in Somalia with no response.   Do those americans count.   How about the 3,000 killed on 9/11 when Clinton refused to accept Bin Laden from the Sudanese on 4 separate occations as doccument by Monsoor Obiz, Dick Morris, and in the book Losing Bin Laden.   (3 separtate sources)

When Art Thime said in an earlier thread "Kerry is strong enough to be wishy washy" can we really take that seriously.   I guess than Kerry is smart enough to be an idiot, and brave enough to be a coward.