I posted this response in another thread but it applies here as well.

You guys remind me of attending leftist meetings back 40 years ago when there still were a few leftists in the US and listening to them argue for hours about Fabian Socialism vs. Trotskyism vs. ASP vs. old-time CPers and laughing as any useful agenda was totally forgotten amid shades of true-believerism.

Reclaim the US from the brink of catastrophe first, then talk about the future over many beers... after we've made some sort of future possible.

Defeat the neocons NOW!     They are evil!

      - Mark