I'm sorry when anyone leaves but you knbow, that is their choice and I assume they have good reason. It is, after all a web site and there are more important things in all of our lilves. I try not to offend people here and I apologize if I do. I hop on for infoprmation mostly and sometimes to have a bit of fun (see the Millard Filmore thread) I hope Jerry and anyone else who has left will reconsider and return to the fold Neil