And there comes a time when protesting about a censorship which you see, and other people don't, becomes a bad example, and one that I'd hate to see followed by people with a different agenda. As it surely will be.

Just hold on - enough of this already - Perhaps Kevin you could provide some evidence for this bad example you claim that I am setting - this censorship that I see and which you (and others) claim not to?

If you really wish me to inflict this - I can certainly provide you with evidence for everything that that I have stated - it is not just a matter of my opinion, as I suspect you are well aware. A quick look at the HELP forum will probably suffice to everyone except perhaps those who are determined not to see.......

For a start - how about the volunteer whose action was defended when they even went so far as to post as a Guest to defend the editing action they had imposed on a 'cut and paste'? Taken without any prior consultation with Joe, Jeff or anyone else? Are you saying that I imagined this or is the attempt to be made to simply minimise this also and again? It may be possible that steps have been taken to ensure that this will not happen again but as it was so defended at the time, this seems somewhat unlikely and I have not seen any announcement that any measures or changes to prevent this have been taken. Have they, and what are they?

Badly -informed attempts to minimise what editing action is actually happening and why, are probably just as - if not even more harmful that any unfounded exagerated claims. But what would be the point of making any claim that you could not support with the evidence? What contention of mine do you doubt and what supporting evidence can you provide that the 'official line' - is what is always and only what is happening?

If someone has a less than positive agenda and a tough hide and wishes to follow my example. (God help the poor sod) - openess and the truth will always remain the best defence. Certainly a better one than having secret numbers of anonymous volunteers.