I learned years after giving up trying to fit into either of these brands that they were modeled on people with no ass, long thighs and short skinny shanks - which explains why Levis look so good on a bowlegged famine victim slouching at a burger joint!

All through those years of hell for me - long thigh, long shanks and a fat legged big assed person - there was a brand made for farmer bodied people like me. It's called generic 'Overhauls' - don't ask me to explain what that is becuase I don't know how. Anyway you can still buy em in little country stores - the few that Mal Wart has not closed - where farmers buy their stuff. Popular 'labels' Big Smith, Big Ben etc., top shelf is sometimes 'Dickies'. Now those thangs stand up whether hung or not!

There is one new brand out here - I will not mention it's name since I am not advertising what needs no help in selling - which is both excellent value and well made with broad legs and lots of room to move about - but it ain't droopy drawers fashioniste gobshite wear TG. Most stores have em and they are modeled on well fed American people, hence they fit 99% of consumers. Kinda like t-shirts too, they feel good and look the same. (Big Apple is sweet sometimes, kinda like my Martin Guitar, full of lovely little surprises.... ohhh yeah!)