And is Miss Manners obsolete? She was on NPR yesterday, went on for over an hour. Some of what she said I agreed with regarding common courtesies, but other things, the liberated woman in me said, "Sorry sister, no fawking way!" Just seemed like she was saying we should let others walk all over us. She's just written The Complete book on manners and bringing complete tranquility to your home life or some such.katrude&crudesometimesbutalwaysrememberstosaypleaseandthankyou