Seems to me we are awful spun up trying to express a notion of something that we define as greater than any notion, and to put in to words that which is beyond all language and even all thought in the normal sense.

Why not give it a rest? You are n't going to get any closer to the reality, or get anyone else closer to it, by heaping rhetoric onto rhetoric as this thread does. Reason being that it is not a lesson of words, but a lesson of the world.

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