and from Foolestroupe...

"I have always found that the absolute best in any field are truly wonderful human beings - it's only ever the second raters that need to order everybody around and demonstrate their 'pseudo-greatness' to everybody (including most especially thhemselves!). "

Amos:

Can we please avoid thread drift? I think there are other threads for your point. I would like to get to the Great Truths, not argue.