The problem is than when it comes down to it it is very difficult to *prove* that Bush lies, even though there are millions of folks who have strong feelings thsat he is and continues to do so. But if he actually doesn't make an effort to keep up with facts then, while he may not be lieing, he certainly is not qualified to lead the world's remaininf super power.

(Oh, but those facts are so hard to get, Bobert.)

Oh? Let's take "No Child Left Behind" for instance. Bush pumps out his chest and talkes about this great achievement on the part of his administartion. Problem is is that the money he asked for and got, he ain't spending? And a visit to just about any inner city school in the bad part of town should be ampl proof that lots kids are being left behind. But if Bush doesn't know this then when he pumps out his chest boasting about "No Child Left Behind", then it's not really a lie. Just ignorance of the facts...

During the build up to war there were lots of folks trying to present fact and opinions that differed from the set of facts and opinions held by the folks within the Bush administration. But since Bush made no effort to hear anything except his own "office-speak" he limited himself to just the part of the story that was convient and supported his thirst for arracking Iraq. Did he lie. Well, again, hard to prove. But if he didn't then there can be no other arguement except that he was ignorant of the facts. Looking back at the very reasons for going to war being unraveled almost daily by experts not in the Bush inner circle, Scott Ritter being one, it seems that Bush wanted to be kept ignorant. To me that may not consitute leing but it certainly isn't exactly honest either.

So, I'll grant BB the possibility that Bush doesn't lie if he will in turn asmit that if that is the case than Bush is one ignorance feller to have gotten as far as he's gotten...

One or the other...

And, BTW, BB, I predicted on another thread that someone would jump in say "Well, my cop friends disagree with you, Bobert.." Is BB lieing? Probably not. He just may not know many cops or those he knows are folks who just happen to agree with his point of view. Again, BB may not be lieing. Only he knows. But if he isn't then maybe he's just ignorant on this issue?

Bobert