How long was America unstable after our revolution? After the Civil War?

How long was Germany a quagmire after WWII? (especially with the superpowers fighting over its control?)

How long was Japan a danger to allied forces following its surrender?

How long have we been in Korea? Which is the safest and most productive country, North or South Korea?

How long have we been in Bosnia? Did the Clinton administration solve all the problems in Bosnia by putting us there (without the approval and against the objections of the UN?)

The point is that many people think Iraq should be a burgeoning democracy by now. That is just insane thinking. Iraq's leaders are working toward having free elections in January. Afghanistan will have elections this year or early next year. That is moving at light speed in terms of human relations.

John Kerry thinks that is a bad idea and he wants to pull us out so that the Baath party can find another Saddam Hussein and create another dictatorship. The overwhelming majority of Iraqis want freedom. They want to vote. They may vote in a Shiite majority, or they may vote in a Sunni majority, or they may split it somehow. A few violent assasins do not want democracy in any way, shape or form. Their vote is with car bombs and missiles. Because of them we want to give up on those who are paying with their lives for a chance at freedom?

And we sit thousands of miles away and criticise their attempts at freedom and self-determination because it is not on our time table???

No wonder the oppressed world hates us. We have our freedom but we do not give them enough credit to allow them to work toward theirs. We don't mind if they are slaughtered by Saddam Hussein, just don't let them be slaughtered by those who oppose freedom and democracy.

To me, that is what really sucks.

Freightdawg