On the subject of bands putting their albums out CDRs, it costs quite a lot of moolah to have a CD properly prepped up and most places don't go to press for less than 500 copies. GUEST - re your whinge about about the sub standard quality of what's on the CDRs you've bought - I can't quite understand what your problem is. Do you buy a video and then demand your money back because you didn't like the film? Of course not - the merits of the artistic content of anything you buy is always going to be a matter of personal taste. As for crappy production values, one of my favourite albums is "Harvest" by Neil Young. Without a shadow of a doubt (IMO) one of the worst-recorded and produced albums I've ever heard, but the songs and performances are superb!