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Thread #73670   Message #1289928
Posted By: GUEST,Old Guy
06-Oct-04 - 02:13 AM
Thread Name: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
Subject: RE: BS: Kerry is an arrogant asshole
All I know is everybody claims Bush said Saddam was connected to the 9/11 attacks. Some even say he said Saddam was responsible. I can't find evidence that he said either so I will go along with popular opinion.

If someone can prove the negative I will change my mind.

Some Propaganda says there was a connection but I can't believe it. It can't possibly be true:

"According to the New York Times, which has never editorialized its belief in an Al Qaeda-Iraq connection, has disclosed details of an Iraqi intelligence paper that discusses the Baghdad-bin Laden "relationship," as well as plans for bin Laden to work with Iraq against the ruling family in Saudi Arabia, the latter nation the birthplace of bin Laden."
"The Iraqi-Al-Qaeda plan to disrupt the House of Saud did not end when bin Laden left the oil-rich kingdom in 1996. Hayes notes a top-secret CIA report summarized in a Pentagon memo sent to the Senate Intelligence Committee in the fall of 2003: "The Saudi Arabian National Guard went on a kingdom-wide heightened state of alert in late December 2000 after learning that Saddam agreed to assist Al-Qaeda in attacking U.S. and U.K. interests in Saudi Arabia."


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/11/154020.shtml

PBS even makes the connection:

Richard Perle: This evidence is very powerful. There is collaboration between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda, which means to destroy us. It entails chemical weapons, biological weapons, training in their application. And he's working on nuclear weapons. The message is very clear - we have no time to lose, Saddam must be removed from office. Every day that goes by is a day in which we are exposed to dangers on a far larger scale than the tragedy of September 11.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/shows/saddam/transcript3.html

James P. Rubin: But let's focus in on the materials. The UN came out of Iraq in 1998 and issued a report and guesstimated that there were tens of thousands of missing tons of chemical material and hundreds of liters of biological agent. Those are sitting there now. That's what the threat is. What is the best way, in your opinion, to prevent that material from falling into the hands of the Al Qaeda people in the film he's already trained?

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/shows/saddam/transcript5.html

James P. Rubin: Well, you've just seen Gwynne Roberts' film. And it raises some very explosive charges. I wonder if you could help us connect the dots. Why should the American people be concerned and what should they think having seen this film?

Richard Perle: Well, the thing that is brought home so clearly in this film is the connection among terrorist organizations now implicating Saddam Hussein directly with Al Qaeda, with a global terrorist movement that ultimately wishes to destroy the United States. What I think we're discovering is that terrorists, like criminals, are in touch with one another around the globe. I think if a safe cracker in Phoenix needs a safe cracker in Manchester, England, somehow they connect (Laughs). And the terrorists are connecting. They're working together, they're reinforcing one another, and they're sharing their tradecraft. And the result is that if we are going to prevail over the terrorists, we have to take them seriously wherever they are and we have to take this war to them in their countries, on their territory. Because if we have to stand and fight on our own territory, many Americans will die in the process.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/shows/saddam/transcript.html

I watched the Gwynne Roberts film mentioned above on PBS that preceeded the Rubin / Perle interview. It included interviews Iraqis who said they witnessed Osama and Al Zawahiri visiting a terrorist training camps in Iraq:
Two other men are filmed with their backs to the camera or lurking in shadows. A man who is now a prisoner of the Kurds claims he was an Iraqi intelligence agent and says that Aymar Al Zawahiri, Mr. bin Laden's second in command, met with Mr. Hussein in Iraq in 1992.
Even more alarming claims come from an Iraqi whom Mr. Roberts tracks down in Turkey, his identity disguised by a jittery camera in a hotel room that shows his hands, his feet, never his face. He says he worked in a chemical weapons factory near Baghdad and that he actually saw Mr. bin Laden visit a terrorist training camp in Iraq in 1998, when Al Queda members were about to "graduate" from its program."

http://www.rwfilms.co.uk/press1.html

The the Gwynne Roberts film featured aerial shots of the training camp showing a 707 for training. It was made out of junk parts as evidenced by wings that did not match.

PBS does not know what the hell they are talking about. No way Jose, Saddam did not train any Al Qaeda terrorists nor did he have any WMDs, period, case closed. I just saw Edwards say so on TV.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Old Guy